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  4. Maybe you're conflating counseling with psychiatry. And even if you are not, substituting one quack with another layman not helping. Religious figures magically don't become experts in things they don't know.
  5. Subjective experiences can be real of course, but the problem with psychiatry is in the diagnosis of the cause of illnesses and the methods of treating them. Sometimes even normal things get labelled as an illness or disorder in the brain (see this lecture by psychiatrist Allen J. Frances), and that allows the psychiatrist to be able to conveniently justify the need for medications, and unfortunately the medications too are oftentimes not only ineffective but lead to quite severe damage to the patients taking them. Talk therapy is much more helpful, IMO.
  6. 1) I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. Say I have 100 participants. I ask them to score thier pain from 1 - 10. 50 people scored thier pain as 10. In this scenario it is a fact that 50 people scored their pain as 10. 2) Ok we disagree on this one.
  7. 1) Something be a number doesn’t make it objective. It can only be objective relative to that particular patient. Like/dislike ratio is only objective in the sense someone objectively hit the (dis)like button. 2) Not to a single one, no. It also cannot be diagnosed. Say you’re feeling sad, you say to a psychiatrist “I’m feeling sad, why is that?” they will say “you’re depressed”. If you ask how do they know you’re depressed, they’ll say it’s because you said you’re feeling sad. This sort of circular logic doesn’t make sense in the diagnosis of a disease. Maybe you’re sad because you lost your job, being sad in of itself is not an illness. Compare this to oncology. With lung cancer for example, it can be diagnosed through a lung biopsy, through blood test for circulating tumour DNA, through scans such as the PET scan, etc.
  8. 1) The number of people scoring 10 is objective because it is a number. Yes it is a result of subjective experiences but so is the like/dislike ratio 2) Wouldn't you agree feeling happy or sad can be routed to a physical counterpart too?
  9. Both of those things rely on something tangible though (besides the second is subjective FYI and only really used for triage). A like/dislike ratio is the result of people hitting buttons on their devices. Pain is the result of signals being sent to your brain, with the cause being able to be narrowed down and diagnosed. There is always physical counterpart to pain.
  10. In my previous post I was saying that you can get objective metrics from subjective data and that such metrics can be useful. This is how I imagine research in psychiatry is done. For example: A like / dislike ratio is an objective metric. The number of patients who scored 10 on a pain scale is an objective metric.
  11. Likes and dislikes objectively inform you how the audience that left a response responded to a certain video. The data is then subjectively interpreted (did they enjoy it due to the content, cinematography, etc.), but the data itself is universally understood. That is completely false analogy when it comes to psychiatry. In psychiatric diagnoses, there are NO objective measures whatsoever. At YouTube, a like will be registered as a like, no matter what. In the psychiatric profession, a psychiatrist makes a judgement on whether or not someone suffers from a purported disorder. In reality, there is little difference between a Buzzfeed quiz on which Game of Thrones character you are and a psychiatric assessment for depression. Why is it that psychiatry is not held to the same standards as oncology, rheumatology, cardiology, etc.? Diagnoses in these fields are replicable between professionals following multiple tests and biopsies. With psychiatry you may as well roll a die.
  12. An experiment is not invalid just because it relies on subjective data. As long as you can make reasonable assumptions to make sense of the data. The number of likes and dislikes on a YouTube video stems from a subjective experience - you're not seriously telling me that Google doesn't find such data valuable
  13. The experiments can never be objective because they rely on subjective observations and self reporting. There has been no physical evidence whatsoever for the vast majority of psychiatry. Unlike for physical disease, there is no biopsy for any purported mental health disorder. You cannot objectively test for depression or anxiety like you can for cancer or bacterial infection. Hippocrates relied on the description of humor imbalances to describe illness. Anyone who would base treatment on such claims today would be called a quack. Today psychiatrists talk about ‘chemical imbalance’ in the brain (without ever having validated such claims). I think calling a duck a duck is appropriate here.
  14. I read a book the other day. Was very impressed. I've never really read a book before because I thought they were boring.
  15. If alot of psychiatry is in its experimental stage, and people are actively documenting outcomes, I am not sure it's right to call it quackery.
  16. Most psychiatry is quackery. When people equivocate psychiatry with medicine or try to put it as a field of medicine we end up with outcomes like this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/07/nhs-transgender-clinic-accused-covering-negative-impacts-puberty/ Previous such outcomes included lobotomies, chemical castration of people with homosexual tendencies and the classification of runaway slaves as being mentally ill. Talk therapy may work because it is patient led, but there is no need for a psychiatrist to be involved. You don’t need training to know how to talk to someone, you need empathy.
  17. Just wanted to chime in and say, religious figures are no substitute for properly trained psychiatrists.
  18. I think counselling (that is talking to someone) can be effective (it doesn't have to be a psychiatrist, it could be a religious figure, a mentor or even just a friend), along with taking little steps everyday to try and become the person you want to be are the most effective steps to achieving any change in behavior, lifestyle or feeling. The second part is easier said than done, but even something as simple as building up a habit like reading books on the train can help you achieve this. I hope you stick around the forum - it is quite dead now, but we have fun discussions from time to time.
  19. It's there. Maybe you've been banned.
  20. Thank you, I appreciate the response. I understand that however the thread upset me and so I felt like I should speak out. Out of curiosity (I'm not trying to antagonise you - I'm just curious) if you're skeptical of psychiatry how would you suggest someone with an eating disorder or another mental illness should get help?
  21. Wa'alaikumus'salaam, Welcome back and ramadan mubaruk
  22. There is nothing to moderate anymore!
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