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Killing in the Quran

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asalamu alaikum my brothers and sisters in Islam...

 

I dont have much knowledge of the Quran or hadith yet so I want to ask you all for help.

 

I was approached by a non-Muslim who says no matter what I say about Islam, at the end of the day the holy book of Muslims as well as Christians, etc allows killing, even if we dont want to admit it. This to me is a pretty good argument, being a peace-loving Canadian who hasnt killed anybody lol.

 

So if any of you can let me know where in the Quran it talks about killing, and how it is justified, I would be SO grateful!!! This is a big dawah issue man!! :unsure:

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Wa'Alaikum Assalam Ukhtie,

 

Well first of all, I want to make it clear that I do not have all that much knowledge of Islam. But insha'Allah, I'll pass on some of the knowledge that I do have regarding this topic. Often, 9:5 is quoted:

YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

 

Not a Beautiful verse when standing alone. We read on, and the next verse reads as follows:

YUSUFALI: If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

 

Furthermore, We see before the verse, it is speaking of a specific situation, in which time was given to the Pagans to end the hostilities.

 

A few quotes I found interesting: (bolded are Qur'an, Italisized are Hadith)

[2:256] Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error

 

[29:46] And do not dispute with the followers of the Book (Jews and Christians) except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly. To them, you shall say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit.

 

[2:190] Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors.

 

"One who kills a non-Muslim person under protection (Arabic: dhimmi) will not even smell the fragrance of Paradise."

 

“Whoever hurts a non-Muslim person under protection, I am his adversary, and I shall be an adversary to him on the Day of Resurrection.”

 

“Anyone who harms a non-Muslim citizen is harming me.”

 

In an important early account, Malik's Muwatta reports that the jizya was collected from men only, dhimmis were exempt from zakat, and additional taxes were to be levied against dhimmis who travelled on business:

 

"The Sunnah is that there is no jizya due from women or children of people of the Book, and that jizya is only taken from men who have reached puberty. The people of dhimma ... do not have to pay any zakat ... This is because zakat is imposed on the Muslims to purify them and to be given back to their poor, whereas jizya is imposed on the people of the Book to humble them...If in any one year they frequently come and go in Muslim countries then they have to pay a tenth every time they do so, since that is outside what they have agreed upon, and not one of the conditions stipulated for them. This is what I have seen the people of knowledge of our city doing."

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asalamu alaikum my brothers and sisters in Islam...

 

I dont have much knowledge of the Quran or hadith yet so I want to ask you all for help.

 

I was approached by a non-Muslim who says no matter what I say about Islam, at the end of the day the holy book of Muslims as well as Christians, etc allows killing, even if we dont want to admit it. This to me is a pretty good argument, being a peace-loving Canadian who hasnt killed anybody lol.

 

So if any of you can let me know where in the Quran it talks about killing, and how it is justified, I would be SO grateful!!! This is a big dawah issue man!! :unsure:

 

Salaam alaykum Alice,

 

His argument implies a value judgement held to be a universal truth - that all killing is morally reprensible. Your response should be a question - who decided that killing in all circumstances is evil? Who is this great arbiter of right and wrong who decided this?

 

If he says most people feel this way, then ask him to bring his data. Ask him why we have the electric chair and lethal injection in America to this day. Ask him if he believes murderers, child molestors, and the like should be executed or if they should be incarcerated for life and become a huge tax burden on the rest of society (whereby we pay taxes so he can live and eat for free in a secure environment for the rest of his life).

 

In Islam, it is Allah who decides what is right, and what is wrong. Allah has created this life as a test for us, and He is the only one to decide when someone has gone beyond the pale and lost the priviledge of participation in this test.

 

Taking this discussion to a more general level, there will be many politically incorrect issues where what Allah has decreed runs counter to what mankind wants. That's normal - the Companions in their day left their own social norms and mores for what was better, and although the west claims it has a superior model of morality and humanism, it has not proven its case except to say that America is a materially successful country so as to imply that God has blessed America with wealth because it is a moral nation (as though we don't know of many who are rich and they are the most morally reprehensible people), whereas success in Islam is defined as a person whose taqwa, whose God-Consciousness, enters him into Paradise.

 

So do not waste your time counter arguing fiqh issues, issues related to law and jurisprudence. The purpose of life is worship Allah, and Islam simply means submission to Allah, and if you are calling to Islam, this means you're calling to the submission of Allah, so you need to start by telling people why they should be submitting to Allah. If someone asks you questions about particulars, take them back to the concept of God first, that He is the only one to be worshipped, and that since His knowledge is perfect and you believe in Him, then what He says is best, even if our limited intellects cannot always full grasp it.

 

And now, you can start talking about the specific question - because Allah is perfect in His Knowledge, because He defines right and wrong, then it stands to reason that if he allows killing for specific circumstances, then it is not evil because the definition of an evil action, at its heart, is intentionally disobeying Allah subhaana wa ta'aala's commands.

 

And from there, you can lay out other arguments for specific cases. The key, however, is to make sure that you are talking about good and evil in the context of your own value system (Allah decides what right and wrong is), not their value system (parents, society, some books from some authors, etc).

 

Siraaj

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Alhamdulillah :dance:

 

I couldnt imagine a better reply than that. Very refreshing and to-the-point. JazakhAllah khair Siraaj & Musa!! May Allah swt bless you both. ameen

:dance: :dance: :dance:

 

Well this person doesnt even believe in God and thinks its irrelevant because it cant be proven. But Allah guides whom He will. Im gonna remember your replies for when the question crops up again, and I know it will!!!

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well the belief in god is simple. In the quran it tells us to examin everything around us. It tells us to examin the sky and the earth and the trees, how could something so perfect not have a creator. Look at a tree, what's the most logical way it could have been created. Even logic leads to something must have put it there. What, my friends, can create itself? nothing, we cant even create living things. Cloning isn't creation, did we create the egg and everything used to clone something? i think not.

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