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Perfect.

 

It was an honest question, fiqh is pretty flexible when it comes to hermophrodites, so I was wondering if that flexibility could then be transferred to transgendered people who genuinely feel they are in the wrong body. We need someone who actually knows the ins and outs of Islam as well as genuine awareness of these social issues to issue a proper fatwa/offer the islamic stance instead of the typical ignorant "its wrong, its haram, the west has brainwashed people, its all the environment".

 

Easy there aunty, noones given a fatwa saying its haram.

 

Whatever I said were MY opinions and what I believe. Anyone else doesn't need to share the same views as me,

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Easy there aunty, noones given a fatwa saying its haram.

 

Whatever I said were MY opinions and what I believe. Anyone else doesn't need to share the same views as me,

My dearest nephew, I didn't say you gave a fatwa. I was interested in knowing your opinion when it comes to hermaphrodites.

My apologies if it came across as accusatory, but I was genuinely interested if you had different views regarding hermaphrodites, and if using the same argument you would view transgendered people differently. That was all =)

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My dearest nephew, I didn't say you gave a fatwa. I was interested in knowing your opinion when it comes to hermaphrodites.

My apologies if it came across as accusatory, but I was genuinely interested if you had different views regarding hermaphrodites, and if using the same argument you would view transgendered people differently. That was all =)

 

Hmm.. Regarding the fiqh-y side, I'm gonna have to check that, because obviously on the fiqh-y side I can't add my 'views' etc.

 

The main difference between khunutha and transgender, the khunutha is born like that, whereas the transgender chooses to be like the other...

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http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cz7XeW80dlUC&lpg=PA71&ots=L2vwxedlwJ&dq=islam and disability hermaphrodite&pg=PA69#v=onepage&q=islam and disability hermaphrodite&f=false

This is about the only book I found when I was reading up on hermophrodites, chapter 4 explains bits and bobs, it was definitely an eye opener seeing how flexible fiqh is.

 

The arabic terms used with khuntha to describe hermaphrodites, and mukhannath to describe a man who chooses to dress like a woman.

I don't think the terms were broken down any further, ie: people who dress as women out of choice, and men who genuinely identify themselves as women.

 

It's interesting stuff.

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Why do you think parents usually to their kids especially at that age, when feeding their child they'd be like say 'bismillah', or things like that? What by saying that makes no difference on the kid right? It does, then the kid learns to say 'Bismillah' before eating. Simples.

 

Even small things like when children are in their mother's womb, if the mother listens to loads of qur'an or memorizes qur'an etc..it makes a difference.

 

again, all of that has nothing to do with being transgender. raising your child in an islamic environment like that will make them muslim, it won't make them feel like a boy or girl.

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Hmm.. Regarding the fiqh-y side, I'm gonna have to check that, because obviously on the fiqh-y side I can't add my 'views' etc.

 

The main difference between khunutha and transgender, the khunutha is born like that, whereas the transgender chooses to be like the other...

Yeah, that's fair enough.

 

When you find out about the fiqh, can you also find out if there's a different name for transgenders who choose to be like that, and those who genuinely think they are. For example, sometimes people like to dress like women for a laugh (it happens :/ ) but they wouldn't identify themselves as female, but the kid in the article definitely does. So that's why I'm curious.

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Yeah, that's fair enough.

 

When you find out about the fiqh, can you also find out if there's a different name for transgenders who choose to be like that, and those who genuinely think they are. For example, sometimes people like to dress like women for a laugh (it happens :/ ) but they wouldn't identify themselves as female, but the kid in the article definitely does. So that's why I'm curious.

 

I shall ask

 

 

again, all of that has nothing to do with being transgender. raising your child in an islamic environment like that will make them muslim, it won't make them feel like a boy or girl.

 

Islam is your way of life.

 

You don't grow up to become a man, you grow up to become a muslim. Becoming a man just comes naturally.

 

You telling me a girl who wants to be a boy, when she hits adolescence and starts menstruating will still think she's a boy? Serious mental illness there!

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I shall ask

 

 

 

Islam is your way of life.

 

You don't grow up to become a man, you grow up to become a muslim. Becoming a man just comes naturally.

 

You telling me a girl who wants to be a boy, when she hits adolescence and starts menstruating will still think she's a boy? Serious mental illness there!

 

No, it doesn't come naturally to everyone.

 

Yes they still feel like a boy. Have you read anything or watched anything on the subject? How do you know it's a mental illness?

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No, it doesn't come naturally to everyone.

 

Yes they still feel like a boy. Have you read anything or watched anything on the subject? How do you know it's a mental illness?

 

I'm a man but I feel like a woman. - Sounds like insanity to me ! Unless its being said to an insane person who will reply, 'aw really, why don't you just transform yourself and then not just feel like a woman, be a woman'.

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I'm a man but I feel like a woman. - Sounds like insanity to me ! Unless its being said to an insane person who will reply, 'aw really, why don't you just transform yourself and then not just feel like a woman, be a woman'.

 

it 'sounds like' ... 'to you'

too bad you've done absolutely no research on the subject whatsoever so whatever it sounds like to you really hold no weight. you can't provide any evidence for this other than your own feelings.

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it 'sounds like' ... 'to you'

too bad you've done absolutely no research on the subject whatsoever so whatever it sounds like to you really hold no weight. you can't provide any evidence for this other than your own feelings.

 

Ok, then you provide solid evidence other than a bunch of youtube videos to prove that transgender is not a mental illness.

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I'm a man but I feel like a woman. - Sounds like insanity to me ! Unless its being said to an insane person who will reply, 'aw really, why don't you just transform yourself and then not just feel like a woman, be a woman'.

You're not understanding how those people feel. They feel like one gender trapped inside the other genders body. Can't you sympathize with that or understand it? Apparantly, it's real and it happens, and pray that inshaAllah any of our children don't have to feel that way. Your methods for treating them by giving them a back hander and telling them what is a boy thing and what is a girl thing is ignorant imo. Duahs are the best route or maybe having them see a specialist so they can learn to be comfortable.

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You're not understanding how those people feel. They feel like one gender trapped inside the other genders body. Can't you sympathize with that or understand it? Apparantly, it's real and it happens, and pray that inshaAllah any of our children don't have to feel that way. Your methods for treating them by giving them a back hander and telling them what is a boy thing and what is a girl thing is ignorant imo. Duahs are the best route or maybe having them see a specialist so they can learn to be comfortable.

 

Yes, now we're talking practical steps! (The Backhander bit was just my pakistani side talking), but yes getting them seen to a specialist is good.

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