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I only play in one league with Muslim friends because it is the only competitive league I can find where gambling is not required. Would it be permissible to pay the buy-in and if I win donate all the money to the mosque? The goal of me buying-in is not to win money, but that way people are more likely to stay competitive and take it seriously

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Is it bad to pay some money to join a fantasy league and then end up getting more money back if you happen to win it? Because I don't think so :whistle:

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Technically that is sports gambling.

 

Why do you need money to motivate you to win? Can't you be competitive without the money aspect?

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Technically that is sports gambling.

 

Why do you need money to motivate you to win? Can't you be competitive without the money aspect?

I don't need money to be competitive, everyone else does, no one takes it seriously if money is not on the line. And I know it is technically sports gambling, that's why I would donate any money if I won. The intention is not to gamble, the intention is to play a game

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I don't need money to be competitive, everyone else does, no one takes it seriously if money is not on the line. And I know it is technically sports gambling, that's why I would donate any money if I won. The intention is not to gamble, the intention is to play a game

 

would you walk into a casino and play roulette on the condition that if you win you will donate it to charity?

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would you walk into a casino and play roulette on the condition that if you win you will donate it to charity?

If your argument is that it's still haram that is understandable, but if you are saying both are the same thing you are being silly. Do you understand my reason for asking the question, or do you really think I'm just asking if gambling is permissible as long as I donate the money?

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If your argument is that it's still haram that is understandable, but if you are saying both are the same thing you are being silly. Do you understand my reason for asking the question, or do you really think I'm just asking if gambling is permissible as long as I donate the money?

 

I don't really see the difference? People also gamble at casinos because it's fun, it's like an arcade. It's not just because they care about the money.

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I don't know why you think this, but I highly doubt if a casino was opened where people could donate their money and win nothing that that casino would stay open for very long. People go to a casino to win money, or for the thrill that they could win/lose money. Fantasy football was not made as a gambling game, it's a strategy game. You put together a roster of real players and based on how they play you get points; whoever has the most points wins. You could bet money on this, like you could bet money on anything. What I am saying is can I join a league where I pay $20 to play and treat it as just that, payment to be able to play the game. And IF I were to win any money I would get rid of it. The point of the game is not to win money, it's to play a game. Again, I could understand why this is still prohibited, but it's not the same as walking into a casino imo.

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I don't know why you think this, but I highly doubt if a casino was opened where people could donate their money and win nothing that that casino would stay open for very long. People go to a casino to win money, or for the thrill that they could win/lose money. Fantasy football was not made as a gambling game, it's a strategy game. You put together a roster of real players and based on how they play you get points; whoever has the most points wins. You could bet money on this, like you could bet money on anything. What I am saying is can I join a league where I pay $20 to play and treat it as just that, payment to be able to play the game. And IF I were to win any money I would get rid of it. The point of the game is not to win money, it's to play a game. Again, I could understand why this is still prohibited, but it's not the same as walking into a casino imo.

 

I don't really get what you mean by this. If I go with a group of friends to a casino and lay down 20 dollars for chips because I want to play poker with them, but donate any money I win, would that be acceptable in your opinion?

 

It's really the same exact thing from what I can tell.

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I don't really get what you mean by this. If I go with a group of friends to a casino and lay down 20 dollars for chips because I want to play poker with them, but donate any money I win, would that be acceptable in your opinion?

 

It's really the same exact thing from what I can tell.

Poker would be a better example, roulette was the example given, and I was thinking of games of 100% chance, like slot machines. With poker I usually think of a poker house, but sure I would have the same question for poker, although believe the game was made for gambling purposes, but I'm not sure. Same question though. If chips were not worth a certain amount of money, and it was a $20 buy in and the winner gets a set amount if they win, could I pay $20 to play and not accept any winnings or donate that money?

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Poker would be a better example, roulette was the example given, and I was thinking of games of 100% chance, like slot machines. With poker I usually think of a poker house, but sure I would have the same question for poker, although believe the game was made for gambling purposes, but I'm not sure. Same question though. If chips were not worth a certain amount of money, and it was a $20 buy in and the winner gets a set amount if they win, could I pay $20 to play and not accept any winnings or donate that money?

 

I'm not going to pass a fatwa here, but I certainly think most scholars would say no [i'm presuming you'd be very hard-pressed to find one who says otherwise]. It's not your money to choose what to do with -- including donating -- and you'd be deriving enjoyment from something from which others are engaging in wrong.

 

So I don't think the ends justify the means.

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I'm not going to pass a fatwa here, but I certainly think most scholars would say no [i'm presuming you'd be very hard-pressed to find one who says otherwise]. It's not your money to choose what to do with -- including donating -- and you'd be deriving enjoyment from something from which others are engaging in wrong.

 

So I don't think the ends justify the means.

Thank you for your input. A quick follow-up question, I assume your answer would not change if I let everyone keep their money? Or even stating at the beginning if I won I would not take anyone's money?

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Thank you for your input. A quick follow-up question, I assume your answer would not change if I let everyone keep their money? Or even stating at the beginning if I won I would not take anyone's money?

 

I'm not sure an answer to this but I'd assume it's still not okay. You're still engaging in gambling; and losing money gambling is also not okay. Same sorta thing like it's not just haram to charge interest, but also to pay interest. You're engaging in a sort of transaction that's not legit. If the league is made up of Muslim friends, can you suggest to them to do it without gambling?

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I'm not sure an answer to this but I'd assume it's still not okay. You're still engaging in gambling; and losing money gambling is also not okay. Same sorta thing like it's not just haram to charge interest, but also to pay interest. You're engaging in a sort of transaction that's not legit. If the league is made up of Muslim friends, can you suggest to them to do it without gambling?

I am in a league with all Muslims and we are not playing for money, the problem is they don't take it very seriously, which doesn't make it very competitive. There does not seem to be any permissible way to join a competitive league.

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If your argument is that it's still haram that is understandable, but if you are saying both are the same thing you are being silly. Do you understand my reason for asking the question, or do you really think I'm just asking if gambling is permissible as long as I donate the money?

 

They are essentially the same thing, you're entering into a game of chance (yes, fantasy football is still chance based whether you like it or not there are odds). You admitted yourself that fantasy football is sports gambling when money is involved, so it does fit into what you originally asked.

 

I don't know why you think this, but I highly doubt if a casino was opened where people could donate their money and win nothing that that casino would stay open for very long. People go to a casino to win money, or for the thrill that they could win/lose money. Fantasy football was not made as a gambling game, it's a strategy game. You put together a roster of real players and based on how they play you get points; whoever has the most points wins. You could bet money on this, like you could bet money on anything. What I am saying is can I join a league where I pay $20 to play and treat it as just that, payment to be able to play the game. And IF I were to win any money I would get rid of it. The point of the game is not to win money, it's to play a game. Again, I could understand why this is still prohibited, but it's not the same as walking into a casino imo.

 

The casino would still make money from losers. Besides, the hypothetical was to the individual case of you. Why can't you play the fantasy football league without putting money up? Let the others put money up themselves. You also imply roulette doesn't have strategy, when in fact, just like fantasy football, it is a game where there are odds and strategies deployed to minimise losses and maximise gains.

 

Either way look at the wider reason as to why this is problematic: 1) you're encouraging other people to partake in haram activity, other Muslims at that, 2) you're still gambling given the fact that if you win you get your money back, and to others their intention is to gamble with you, so there is a chance you will lose, i.e. you're putting money to chance.

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